Comments on: Lia Mills: Teen pro-lifer http://www.thegridto.com/city/people/lia-mills-teen-pro-lifer/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=lia-mills-teen-pro-lifer Toronto's new weekly city magazine Thu, 23 May 2013 17:13:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Kelly http://www.thegridto.com/city/people/lia-mills-teen-pro-lifer/#comment-46161 Kelly Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:03:20 +0000 http://www.thegridto.com/?p=125248#comment-46161 The opinion isn't the problem. Hell I have opinion about many things I haven't experienced. The problem is she wants to impact other people's opinions based on her own, which are based on no evidence whatsoever. I'd be very afraid of someone trying to do that, regardless of their age. The opinion isn’t the problem. Hell I have opinion about many things I haven’t experienced. The problem is she wants to impact other people’s opinions based on her own, which are based on no evidence whatsoever. I’d be very afraid of someone trying to do that, regardless of their age.

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]]> By: Evil Rob http://www.thegridto.com/city/people/lia-mills-teen-pro-lifer/#comment-46113 Evil Rob Sun, 10 Mar 2013 04:29:13 +0000 http://www.thegridto.com/?p=125248#comment-46113 I see there is a lot of ageism being expressed in the comments here. Very disappointing, as if her age automatically invalidates her views and experiences. I see there is a lot of ageism being expressed in the comments here. Very disappointing, as if her age automatically invalidates her views and experiences.

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]]> By: jay_sands http://www.thegridto.com/city/people/lia-mills-teen-pro-lifer/#comment-45873 jay_sands Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:58:19 +0000 http://www.thegridto.com/?p=125248#comment-45873 Or the baby once it's actually born. Then these same people can't wait to slash the very social supports that might allow women in precarious positions, to actually raise the child. The hypocrisy of the "pro-life" knows no bounds. Or the baby once it’s actually born. Then these same people can’t wait to slash the very social supports that might allow women in precarious positions, to actually raise the child. The hypocrisy of the “pro-life” knows no bounds.

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]]> By: jay_sands http://www.thegridto.com/city/people/lia-mills-teen-pro-lifer/#comment-45872 jay_sands Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:53:32 +0000 http://www.thegridto.com/?p=125248#comment-45872 Clown. Come back when you have something intelligent to contribute to the discussion. Clown. Come back when you have something intelligent to contribute to the discussion.

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]]> By: Earl http://www.thegridto.com/city/people/lia-mills-teen-pro-lifer/#comment-45840 Earl Wed, 06 Mar 2013 14:58:25 +0000 http://www.thegridto.com/?p=125248#comment-45840 So, according to Kay, abortion is bad, Israel is bad, the Pride parade is bad...but Iran having nuclear power is good? So, according to Kay, abortion is bad, Israel is bad, the Pride parade is bad…but Iran having nuclear power is good?

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]]> By: Jesse http://www.thegridto.com/city/people/lia-mills-teen-pro-lifer/#comment-45836 Jesse Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:21:57 +0000 http://www.thegridto.com/?p=125248#comment-45836 Your points are irrelevant. Obviously we need to take care of abused children that exist outside the womb. But these are two separate discussions. You speak as if they are mutually exclusive -- as if you can only do one or the other. Your points are irrelevant.

Obviously we need to take care of abused children that exist outside the womb. But these are two separate discussions. You speak as if they are mutually exclusive — as if you can only do one or the other.

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]]> By: Jim http://www.thegridto.com/city/people/lia-mills-teen-pro-lifer/#comment-45831 Jim Wed, 06 Mar 2013 04:14:23 +0000 http://www.thegridto.com/?p=125248#comment-45831 A fetus is not a baby. A fetus is not a baby.

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]]> By: Annie http://www.thegridto.com/city/people/lia-mills-teen-pro-lifer/#comment-45793 Annie Tue, 05 Mar 2013 05:56:55 +0000 http://www.thegridto.com/?p=125248#comment-45793 Also, "mother-in-waiting"?! Is that how you say "pregnant woman" where you live? I like how it implies that pregnancy is just a matter of sitting around and waiting. No discomfort, no side effects, no risks, no pain, no biggie. Another anti-choice talking point. Also, “mother-in-waiting”?! Is that how you say “pregnant woman” where you live?

I like how it implies that pregnancy is just a matter of sitting around and waiting. No discomfort, no side effects, no risks, no pain, no biggie. Another anti-choice talking point.

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]]> By: mls http://www.thegridto.com/city/people/lia-mills-teen-pro-lifer/#comment-45790 mls Tue, 05 Mar 2013 05:23:22 +0000 http://www.thegridto.com/?p=125248#comment-45790 Hey Annie, and your March 4, 3:05p.m. comment: What I was trying to say was that if she volunteered with a group (unconnected to any abortion/adoption agenda), but had to see with her own eyes the difficult reality of teenagers/women who are caring for a young child, and all this means in a broader context (ie obscenely low welfare rates, very sub-standard housing, dysfunctional families, limited opportunities for education/employment with no access to childcare, absent baby daddies who had lied to them about their willingness to assist with the new baby, missing child support payments and family court horrors, domestic violence, and alcohol and drug abuse) that she might begin to understand that access to contraception and safe and legal abortion should be a right. It seems that the pro-life agenda is extremely concerned about the sanctity of the fetus, but does not care for the mother or child whatsoever. While they are hyperfocussed on an embryo, a living, breathing mother literally cannot get enough social assistance for shelter AND food, if she is without a partner or family support. I completely agree with you about the wretched shennanigans that ensued with adoptions that were coercive and hateful. And I am with you as well that I am not taking an antiquated eugenics position ie that poor or uneducated people shouldn't have children. I have known poor families that were functional and happy, and white collar families with a high income/social standing where the father was an abusive tyrant. I think there should be support for mothers, and I also think that there should be accessible support for women who chose not to be mothers. Hey Annie, and your March 4, 3:05p.m. comment: What I was trying to say was that if she volunteered with a group (unconnected to any abortion/adoption agenda), but had to see with her own eyes the difficult reality of teenagers/women who are caring for a young child, and all this means in a broader context (ie obscenely low welfare rates, very sub-standard housing, dysfunctional families, limited opportunities for education/employment with no access to childcare, absent baby daddies who had lied to them about their willingness to assist with the new baby, missing child support payments and family court horrors, domestic violence, and alcohol and drug abuse) that she might begin to understand that access to contraception and safe and legal abortion should be a right. It seems that the pro-life agenda is extremely concerned about the sanctity of the fetus, but does not care for the mother or child whatsoever. While they are hyperfocussed on an embryo, a living, breathing mother literally cannot get enough social assistance for shelter AND food, if she is without a partner or family support.

I completely agree with you about the wretched shennanigans that ensued with adoptions that were coercive and hateful. And I am with you as well that I am not taking an antiquated eugenics position ie that poor or uneducated people shouldn’t have children. I have known poor families that were functional and happy, and white collar families with a high income/social standing where the father was an abusive tyrant. I think there should be support for mothers, and I also think that there should be accessible support for women who chose not to be mothers.

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]]> By: Annie http://www.thegridto.com/city/people/lia-mills-teen-pro-lifer/#comment-45789 Annie Tue, 05 Mar 2013 05:20:16 +0000 http://www.thegridto.com/?p=125248#comment-45789 "The reason there’s an additional penalty for killing a fetus isn’t because of injury to the mother-in-waiting, it’s because a baby was killed." Wrong. There is no legal foundation for what you are saying. Read section 223 of the Criminal Code of Canada; it's very clear. "What if abortion was legal only in cases of rape or if the baby was a danger to the mother?" Then it'd be even more obvious that you get off on punishing women for having sex? "It seems like activists always like to bring up extreme cases like that, but I have a feeling that most pregnancies are caused by people not taking the very simple and cheap precautions; ie. they’re lazy or stupid, or intoxicated." I don't agree with you, but even if I did, so what? Lazy, stupid, intoxicated people have rights too. Yes, even women. "Maybe the baby should be brought to term and given up for adoption." It doesn't matter what you think should happen. Other people's bodies aren't yours, or mine, to commandeer. That's kind of the whole point here. "If you ever do decide to have a baby, I hope you’re honest with yourself and don’t pretend that you think fetuses have any value." Is that supposed to make me feel bad? How exactly? And you're not pro-choice, you're a concern troll. “The reason there’s an additional penalty for killing a fetus isn’t because of injury to the mother-in-waiting, it’s because a baby was killed.”

Wrong. There is no legal foundation for what you are saying. Read section 223 of the Criminal Code of Canada; it’s very clear.

“What if abortion was legal only in cases of rape or if the baby was a danger to the mother?”

Then it’d be even more obvious that you get off on punishing women for having sex?

“It seems like activists always like to bring up extreme cases like that, but I have a feeling that most pregnancies are caused by people not taking the very simple and cheap precautions; ie. they’re lazy or stupid, or intoxicated.”

I don’t agree with you, but even if I did, so what? Lazy, stupid, intoxicated people have rights too. Yes, even women.

“Maybe the baby should be brought to term and given up for adoption.”

It doesn’t matter what you think should happen. Other people’s bodies aren’t yours, or mine, to commandeer. That’s kind of the whole point here.

“If you ever do decide to have a baby, I hope you’re honest with yourself and don’t pretend that you think fetuses have any value.”

Is that supposed to make me feel bad? How exactly?

And you’re not pro-choice, you’re a concern troll.

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